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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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    "content": "Despite the challenges over the county boundary, the Ministry has previously completed adjudication of various sections as indicated in Table A. Hon. Senator, I have a table there that has given a list of 10 adjudication areas with a total of 7,780 parcels. Table A are registered adjudication sections while Table B are sections finalised under the National Titling Programme where we do not charge. In most of your region, we were working with a programme which produces titles at the National Titling Centre that is funded separately. Those are other 11 sections in Table B. There are ongoing adjudication sections, including in Chiakariga, where we have 500 objections. We commenced work, but received 500 objections. We cannot proceed with that particular matter until the objections are resolved. There is also a Case Petition No.5. Hon. Senator, kindly talk with these people so that they remove the case from court. Call me so that we talk to them together. That is the Chiakariga problem. Stalled adjudication sections due to boundary disputes are three. All the others are going on. Look at Table D. You cannot step in Nthurima, Karocho and Mukothima. Your people chased my officers and they were told to leave. We need to have a serious, open and candid discussion on how to deal with the dispute, so that we complete the 7,942 parcels for those three adjudication sections along the disputed boundary. Regarding (iii), I wish to respond to the hon. Senator as follows. The boundaries of Kenya’s counties were established by the 2010 Constitution of Kenya, which replaced the previous provincial system. The boundary between Meru and Tharaka-Nithi is described in the District and Provinces Act of 1992. However, this boundary is contested. The Constitution, in Article 188(1), provides the following in relation to variation of county boundaries. Although I have said I would not recommend going for change of the boundary because that will not resolve the dispute, the process of how to alter boundaries is provided for in Article 188, where Parliament is mandated, by way of a resolution by the National Assembly, to form a commission to carry out that exercise. Obviously, this would require the full commission. We have an IEBC, although not fully constituted. Instead of forming another commission, they should request the services of the IEBC. What I am saying is that before taking that route, this is something humanly possible. We have the leadership of the two counties, including Governors, Senators and Members representing the constituencies around that boundary. They can sit together, but I do not think there is any discussion going on between the two governors. When you step there, you are told not to touch. A Cabinet Secretary is told that they have not finished with the boundary issue and they do not want titling to go on. That is the position."
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