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    "id": 1499972,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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    "content": " I had said it is public, but if he wants my number, he can talk to me when I am leaving. I am surprised he does not have mine. I have his number, so I will call him. Hon. Senator for Tharaka, in reference to the Zachary Ogongo report, Nithi, we have it and it is recommended for implementation. However, it is not possible to implement this report because it requires cooperation and working with Tharaka Nithi and Meru people, along the boundaries. As I said, we need goodwill and people must, first, be disabused in their minds so that they know that we cannot move the boundaries to come to you. I know the report is there, the recommendation for activities will still require people to stop being hostile. I did not mean the Tharaka Nithi people alone, but rather the people along the disputed boundary because it is known where it is. It is from both communities and they know. The last time I came to give titles, they told me that is a no-go zone for the time being. I personally was confronted with that hostility and it is okay. I understand because there are disputes and issues that are pending which need to be resolved, because we cannot sweep them under the carpet. We need to call them by names in terms of the challenge. However, we can go through that report with you if you are willing to go along with this to the end. We need the cooperation by both governors. We need conversation and discussion where the two governors can also come to table. We can come there with the County Commissioner and my security team, but once we leave, we do not want to leave people fighting. We need first to create a peaceful environment and acceptance of the challenge and how we will deal with it. This must be adopted by the same teams. So, we can go through some of these reports with you and you can also give me a hint of what you think, because I am sure as a senator you may have some good ideas on how we can resolve those challenges. I am calling upon you because you may have goodwill, but your colleagues may not have similar goodwill. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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