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    "id": 1500011,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Alice Wahome",
    "speaker_title": "The Cabinet Secretary for Lands, Public Works, Housing and Urban Development",
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    "content": "questions. Sen. Okenyuri’s concern is with regard to the cases of succession being mishandled and how I can help there. As a Senator and a leader, it is important to continuously tell our people that they must deal with the officers from the Ministry and every registry has a registrar. When a problem arises, you will find that they dealt with the people outside or the brokers outside thinking that they are land officers. Kenyan people must start working with Government officers directly, so that if you have a complaint like you have lost money or have been conned, you can say that it is officer so and so. As the Cabinet Secretary, this is the message I would like to pass along because this is a common feature where members of public get conned by the people hanging around Ministry offices. If you come to Ardhi House, we have done away with people who used to make people suffer around the corridors and outside. Now, people deal directly with officers at the counters. If we finish our business with you, you go. Hon. Senator, let our people in Kisii take up succession cases as soon as people pass away. The family must first agree at that level before they can take their dispute to the public. They must try to do Alternative Dispute Resolution (ADR) among themselves. If a family cannot agree, then it means if you go outside, you are going to people who will come to help you because of your money or people who want to prey on you and take your property. So, this problem can be reduced to almost zero if, at the family level, people know justice or are practising justice. Note that every child of a deceased person is entitled to succession and is entitled to inheritance. In the Kisii Community, like many other communities in Kenya, they do not believe women, especially married women are entitled to own land. The law of succession, CAP 160 is very clear that the inheritance of property of a deceased person, whether a mother or a father, is by a degree of consanguinity; how related you are. If you are a child or a spouse, you get priority. Any other member is not a direct beneficiary other than by way of children. So, let them also deal with lawyers. If the family agrees to go to family division courts, they will take very little time. They will be telling the court that this is our consent. This is how we are dividing this property; not necessarily in equal shares because some family members could agree that they do not need equal, although the law says in equal shares. However, when you agree they can. I think your problem is the crooks around this space. There will always be unscrupulous people. That is why the officials in our Ministry know that if you engage in that behaviour, and we get you, you will lose your job, period. You will be prosecuted. We have about 10 who are facing charges since I took this Ministry. My next challenge is ensuring they are also jailed because we will provide information. Where they have facilitated corruption, we will not hesitate as long as I am the Cabinet Secretary. We are doing it. Ethics and Anticorruption Commission (EACC) is also helping a lot in respect of public property. Sen. Chute has asked me this question for the fifth time. I will not get tired because he has said he is tired. I do not want to say I am tired. We have to resolve the problem of Buxton with you, Sen. Chute. The decision was that the people who were The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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