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    "id": 1521718,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Cherarkey",
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        "legal_name": "Cherarkey K Samson",
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    "content": "come up with a version of legislative intervention agreeable by both Houses so that we can fast-track, to make it easy? The committee should have given us a legislative intervention on how to consolidate the laws relating to conflict of interest in public service. Madam Temporary Speaker, I have told you most of the civil servants, have side hustles. Some people are hiring and tilling land in Narok County. They are planting wheat. If you are a principal of school YX. On weekend when you are off, you are working on your wheat in Narok County, does it mean that is conflict of interest because you are earning from different sources? So, we need a legislative intervention that will tell us how the conflict of interest is handled in the public service. Madam Temporary Speaker, assume that your husband is hired as an EACC officer in Malindi. You are a chief somewhere in Nyakach, in Kisumu County. What does the law say? You are related by marriage. Or, your son applies for a job and you are not aware. You are a Senator here and your son applies for a job in the Public Service Commission and they are hired. Can somebody say that is conflict of interest? We need to be clear so that we do not play. I have seen people getting excited about this Bill because the United Nations and Non-Governmental Organisations (NGOs) have said that we need to pass it. Madam Temporary Speaker, when you look at principles of law, we should do the law that functions within the society of Kenya. This is a law that has been brought by the NGOs and people who want to look nice before the Western countries. The other day, they stopped USAID. So, we need to be careful so that we do not import things that can easily abort in our society. You and I know that you can have as many cousins as thousands. What does it mean if the cousin of your cousin of your cousin is hired, for example, in the county government and you are the Senator? What does it say about conflict of interest? So, let us not rush. This mediation version should have involved both Houses, so that we do not set ourselves up against our own society. Another aspect that I would like to point out because I have three points is Clause 41. I agree that we need to limit the time of suspension to be 90 days with the leave of court if there is extension. We saw a number of governors when they were under investigation of corruption cases, were suspended because they have executive powers. The 90 days are enough. In fact, during my time as the Chairperson of the Senate Standing Committee on Justice, Legal Affairs and Human Rights (JLAHR), we had even proposed that the case of corruption should be heard and dispensed within 24 months. In the last Session, we came up with a proposal. In fact, at that time, we had a multi-agency team that was co-chaired by the Chairpersons of JLAHR in the National Assembly and the Senate. Members were Attorney General (AG), National Intelligence Service (NIS), and the Kenya Revenue Authority (KRA). We sat in the same Chamber and agreed that corruption cases must and should be dispensed within 24 months. I agree with the Chairperson that some people could take advantage. How do we prevent when they gossip and your political saboteurs want to remove you from office? We must guard against that. I agree with the committee that these 90 The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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