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    "id": 1545156,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Onyonka",
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        "legal_name": "Onyonka Richard Momoima",
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    "content": "Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to insist that, yes, the automation must be done on even how the withdrawals of payments for the repayment of the debts that we have. As like Sen. Eddy Oketch has said, why do we not know what the debt stock in our republic is? You have the Auditor-General giving you a different figure and the Controller of Budget giving you a different figure. The other day, the Committee on Finance and Budget gave us a figure of Kshs12 trillion. I believe that our debt right now is at about Kshs14 trillion. Can we get the Committee on Finance and Budget, and this House to make sure that all those four institutions are called and we are able to get a forensic audit done so that, historically, we can even know how much money we borrowed, where did the money go, who spent that money, all the euro bonds we have gotten and how much money has been used to pay debt as we speak. It is very interesting that even when we are paying the debts, our debt never goes down. How can you pay Kshs800 billion of debt every year and yet the debt which you have of Kshs12 trillion never goes down? It means the debts are not being paid. It means money is being siphoned off from the international money market and we are told that this was collected so that we can go and pay our debts and yet in reality, what actually happens is that this money cannot be accounted for by any of our institutions that we have set up to guard what is happening in our country in terms of financial management. So, Madam Temporary Speaker, I would like to plead with the Committee and Members of this House, since I can see we are now slowly beginning to have a critical mass--- Madam Temporary Speaker, let us make sure that we know how much we are borrowing, where the money goes and what we can do. In the process of achieving this, let us make sure that whatever money that we borrow is utilized fairly and equitably amongst all our counties. Let us make sure that Kenyans begin to trust the Government. If we do not have an open government, even if the head of State sings from morning till evening, begging Kenyans to raise taxes for him, they will refuse. Why? Because they feel that we are not being open enough and we are not telling them the truth as to what is happening to their money and the money that is borrowed for the development for our country. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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