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    "id": 15464,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/15464/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. I.E. Mohamed",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister of State for Development of Northern Kenya and other Arid Lands",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Mohamed Ibrahim Elmi",
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    "content": "So, I think that this will be one of the subjects that will be taught at this place, and it should be defined and have boundaries. In this country, for example, and even in the Government, we have no way of communicating about corruption. When it happens we ask ourselves: What are the next steps to be taken? I have seen people come here and ask people to step aside. When should a Minister, Permanent Secretary or a Director step aside? In other countries, they have policies about it. We must produce policies that say what is called corruption and show how to deal with it. Where we are now, it is not clear. At the moment, it has become a tool for fighting each other; therefore, the real corruption is not being fought. Inefficiencies are really killing our system; I am really happy that we are going to form this Kenya School of Government."
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