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    "id": 154892,
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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Mungatana",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Danson Buya Mungatana",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, this House in debating this issue is, not just being critical, but it is providing a ventilation process through which the will or opinion of Kenyans can be openly heard. We need to see some action being taken in this matter. We are not beating the war drums. This Parliament must not be understood in that way. We know war is expensive. Any person who has participated in anything like ethnic wars, skirmishes or even inter-tribal wars or those of us who have experienced these things in our constituencies, know war is expensive. War has no morality. War will kill. War will create hatred among neighbours. Children will hate each other and so on. When we say that all efforts must be made, we are reminded of 1932, when the governments of Kenya and Uganda had an issue about an area of Kenya lying to the west of the Turkwell River, which was formerly called the Rudolf Province. That area is now called Karasuk. In that incident of 1932, through an agreement between the two countries, it was agreed that the Karasuk area would be administered under Karamoja because it was convenient at that time for the sake of tribal control. Uganda then gained its Independence in October 9th, 1962. In the following year, 12th December 1963, Kenya got its Independence. Again, the governments of Kenya and Uganda sat together and agreed that the region of Karasuk be returned to Kenya. This was done in 1970 and the Karasuk area reverted back to Kenya, through an agreement between the two countries. Why am I bringing this issue in seconding this Motion? I am bringing this issue because it is an example of a historical fact that happened. We, as a country, and Uganda as a country, have never been to war. It is true that we have had border disputes before. It"
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