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    "id": 1557208,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Kikuyu, UDA",
    "speaker_title": "Hon. Kimani Ichung’wah",
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    "content": " Hon. Temporary Chairlady, while I agree with Hon. Shakeel, in legislation-making, we usually say, “Not more than a certain amount” in terms of fines and penalties. If we say, “Not less than Ksh1 million”, it means that you could even be fined a trillion shillings. You never know the judge or magistrate that one may appear before. Therefore, it is only right that we set an upper limit to prohibit exploitation. One may be subjected to other penalties in the statute if they are involved in money laundering. It is done that way as a deterrent. The Chairperson of the Committee was right in indicating it as “Not more than…” If we say, “Not less than…”, it will mean that the stated amount is the lower limit, and that provision can be misused. You can be fined Ksh100 million, Ksh200 million or even Ksh1 billion."
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