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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, first, I thank you for giving me the Floor, but I beg to oppose the proposed amendment. That amendment is speaking to the finality of that Report. I took my time to listen because I have serious concerns about the problems that are facing Nyamira, like all of us. We do not want the problems to continue. However, I listened to the Chairperson of the Committee on Devolution and Intergovernmental Relations, Sen. Abbas, and he said that it was a progress report. I was going to support him in the original format because he said; the heavy recommendation was that the Committee was going to go to the ground. They have suspicions that maybe, these factions are supported by politicians and they were going to have a meeting with the senior politicians there, the Senator and the Governor. This is a very good recommendation and it is a progress report, so that they can feel and hear. In our language, we say, you want to feel the stomachs of the people of that decision. This is because the Committee had a first-hand opportunity to sit and hear the witnesses. We were not there and it had the opportunity to listen to the grievances of both sides. The same Committee, which is led by a highly respected Senator is saying; let us go and sit like elders and talk to them. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was going to suggest that during that meeting, the religious community or elders should be involved, so that some form of understanding can be reached. If that understanding is not reached, I was going to convince the House that at the finality, when those heavy propositions that are being made; that some people must be investigated, maybe arrested or refunds be ordered, can be done after the attempted resolution of the matter in a peaceful way. Political problems cannot be solved by courts or the EACC. This is a political problem and the best way is this intervening Committee to sit with them and talk. However, when we say that the other side must refund money and for the other side, all the meetings they have done are illegal and yet the Committee is just giving us a progress report, it is like the Senate is taking a position before even the meeting is convened. It is like the Senate has already decided, but the Committee has not recommended to us that we take that position."
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