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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Shakeel",
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        "legal_name": "Ahmed Shakeel Shabbir Ahmed",
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    "content": "Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker. I rise to condemn the killings that have taken place in Central Kenya in Karatina, involving about 44 people. This is a Kenyan problem. It is not a problem of Central Kenya. It is not a problem of Karatina. It is a Kenyan problem. That Kenyan problem is continuing because there is lack of understanding and commitment. People do not believe, trust and cannot depend on the security forces of this country to protect them, no matter where and when. The issue of criminalising groups is not right. The Mungik i has been criminalised. There are criminal elements in Mungiki . I am not supporting the Mungiki for a minute, but I am saying that the Mungik i is like the Taliban . Not 100 per cent of the Taliban members are all bombers. As a matter of fact, maybe three or four of them, but everywhere you hear Taliban, Al Queda or Mungik i. The Mungiki has, within itself, a system. Having developed a system like the Americans developed in Afghanistan, you cannot go and develop a system in Mungiki . The Government of President Moi actually developed a system in Mungiki, gave them weapons and showed them how to fight and now you want to dismantle them and give them the rogue security forces. The Government should not have allowed a systemised dis-servicing of those youths. It has given criminals the opportunity to head this group. We have criminalised the youths. This is happening in Kisumu. Hon. Ojode is looking at me and I want to tell him that, after the problems that we had in Kisumu, groups thought that they could be used by criminals, for example, over the issue of “No Raila, no peace”. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, about 3,000 people went around and they were not detected. In this country, police officers have been given “shoot to kill”orders. They do not use rubber bullets. We have satellites where Americans can tell you where a tennis ball is at any one time. You want to tell us that 3,000 people could not be detected? It is not just right. People flew there in helicopters to condole the victims. The Prime Minister went there in a military helicopter. Where was the President? By the way, when the Prime Minister went there, the military helicopter fuel was being siphoned. Where was the President? Up to today, I have not seen the President go to that area to say pole ."
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