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    "id": 1570308,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mungatana, MGH",
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    "content": "that they can add one more per cent landmass which we then changed and called geographical area so that it covers water. I also said that the poverty index should go from 12 to at least 13 per cent to add another 1 per cent. Nonetheless, when we sat with colleagues here and discussed, most of the colleagues were showing that 11 counties were going to lose money. We must speak as Senators of the Republic of Kenya. We must not speak as Senators just from our counties. With that in mind, we have agreed using the factor of 0.387, the baseline fact, no county will lose any money. This has taken care of what all of us were afraid of. So, if no county is losing money, what do we do with the rest of the other factors that we needed to factor in the formulation of the Fourth Basis formula? When we sat here this morning and in previous kamukunji, we said that whatever the Committee on Finance and Budget had proposed, no county was going to lose. However, if we stuck strictly to the formula on the poverty index, the geographical area and the population index, then there are 11 counties that will get very little, if any or no increment at all. As we sat here this afternoon, we convinced each other to allocate Kshs2 billion for those counties, so that they can have a reasonable increment. When we left here, the representative for the small counties was very happy. I left here knowing that even this afternoon, possibly we will finish this debate. In fact, we said that those who feel very strongly that they will come with a better simulation of the formula or an improvement of what we have, need to come with papers. That is what we agreed. They need to work with the Parliamentary Budget Office (PBO) so that figures can be created that will convince all of us. We agreed in the morning that we shall move this Motion this afternoon. We also agreed this morning, as a principle, that anybody with a different opinion to bring us the paperwork for us to accommodate them. The most significant breakthrough that we had with the small counties was when we said that we shall ring-fence Kshs2 billion that will be shared equally amongst the 11 counties that were getting very little increment. We left here very happy. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it seems that the people have tested blood. If you get injured in the sea, for whatever reason and blood leaks out a bit, all the other carnivorous fishes come to finish you. I do not know what is happening. We have agreed on this formula. We yielded and said that we are ring-fencing Kshs2 billion. We said, “let us start with this and if there is anything else, we will reconsider.”"
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