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"content": "Thank you, Mr. Speaker, Sir. As I rise to contribute to this Motion, I beg to start with a question; what defines an assembly sitting? It is the speaker, the mace, the quorum, the notice, the gazetted precincts. Mr. Speaker, I think going forward - because even the HANSARD and the voting list are part of it - this Senate should come up with a resolution that for any other impeachment to go on, the county assemblies should provide video evidence of whether that vote was taken. Why am I saying that? A few years ago, I was seated at the Gallery where I see the good people of Isiolo County seated, when the then Governor of Kiambu County was brought in this House. At that particular time, I knew there were no numbers to remove him from office, but I was over there. The Senate voted the way it voted. I swore that I wanted to come to this Senate, so that I could do the right thing. It is because the strength of justice is not seen in how we treat innocent people, but in how you handle the guilty ones. So, we have to follow the processes, so that we make sure that even those that are brought here, go through due process. Mr. Speaker, Sir, this begs the question; if we were to allow the full hearing, that means we will listen to whether the County Assembly of Isiolo sat, then we will have the witnesses and they will be cross-examined. Then, instead of voting on that particular issue, will be told; “Wait! Let us now go to ground one, two and three.” What if, after we go all through these grounds, we realise they never sat? So, why are we taking the governor through the grounds, yet probably, the County Assembly never sat? I think we should also come up with a proper procedure as the Senate, that before we even think of listening to the grounds, we are certain whether for sure, the county sat. We had the cases of Machakos where I think there were two clerks. We had the case of Nyamira, which had two clerks, two speakers and two assemblies. So, we have seen we have rogue assemblies somehow. If we do not cure that now, we might never be able to cure this in future. Probably, we may come here as governors also. We want the procedures to be followed. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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