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    "id": 1613824,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. M. Kajwang’",
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    "content": "Yes. Thank you, Madam Temporary Speaker. The interest of counties and their governments is sometimes different from the interest of their governors or their leaders. Our role as a Senate is to defend the interests of counties and their governments rather than the governors. Regarding the fiscal responsibility measure, I would be happy to approve this amendment if I was convinced that there was a way we were going to reward good behaviour and punish errant behaviour. If we do not have that option in this formula, I would be very hesitant to give much more money to some of the counties here. Isiolo County is on the schedule of the 11 counties. I said in the substantive debate that Isiolo is not a small county. Isiolo is designated as a capital and the centre of gravity of Kenya. You can be a big county, but with a small leadership mindset at the top. That is what makes you look like a small county. I would be very hesitant if a county like Laikipia, which I have described to be very fiscally responsible, was to receive Kshs400 million more out of this formula, especially if the irresponsible ones will be getting the same amount, unless we had a formula for differentiation. We must increase the pie. If it is Kshs405 billion, then we will be confirming to those who think that the Senate is also playing small. We have the opportunity, instruments and duty to ensure that we support devolution. That support is through increasing the allocation to our counties. When we talk of Kshs450 billion, we are not saying go and take the budget from State House, the Deputy President's employment programmes or from the national The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposesonly. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Director, Hansard and AudioServices, Senate."
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