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    "id": 166427,
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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Mungatana",
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    "content": "Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I also want to make one final proposal on Clause 19(7). This is a vetting procedure and we are saying that the judges who are going to come to the Board for purposes of vetting are entitled to legal representation at their own cost. What are we saying? We are saying that every judge, therefore, will be coming to the Board with a lawyer. With due respect to my profession, I know that they will cause so much trouble. We want to do this thing in one year. So, if someone is good, he can be looked at by that Board and it decides. If you bring lawyers into this, we are inviting this process to stay for another five years. We will never finish this process of vetting. We will never give Kenyans the new judges that we require under the new Constitution. What is going to happen all this time that Kenyans will be waiting? Clause 24 talks about vetting of judges of the Court of Appeal and the High Court to be finalized within three months. How is this possible if each of these judges is going to walk in with a lawyer? Whenever a question is asked, a judge will say: âWait I consult.â Since he has the right under the law, he can even ask for a timeout to consult and come back the following day. What are we doing? This provision is unnecessary and I want to invite the Minister to consider removing it. Even if he does not do so, I will apply during the Third Reading to have this clause removed. We are vetting you and not in a court of law. You are either good or bad. The judges will need to satisfy the vetting Board instead of coming in with their lawyers. This will cause confusion to the Board. In fact, that must go."
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