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    "id": 166511,
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    "speaker_name": "Mr. M. Kilonzo",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Justice, National Cohesion and Constitutional Affairs",
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        "legal_name": "Mutula Kilonzo",
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    "content": "I agree that we need to have gender balance and I will adjust the Bill suitably to reflect that. I agree that we must accept ethnic balance. In fact, the Bill calls for regional and other balances. On the issue of “temperament”, and this is for Mr. Mungatana: Please be careful as you seek to delete this. I will try to persuade you that we have had a judge in Kenya taken to court on the pretext that in a traffic jam, he came out with a knife and attempted to injure a Kenyan. Although he was acquitted, I am afraid, you must appreciate that temperament under the international standards that I have just described is very important. We have Judges who insult advocates who are appearing for citizens in the presence of the citizens, thereby undermining the concept of independence of the bar and their ability to represent citizens. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have judges who insist that you must be robed. If you walk into his or her chambers, you cannot leave even to go to help yourself until the judge leaves. Therefore, this is the reason this architecture seeks for temperament. On the issue of legal representation, I am afraid, I want to persuade the country even if you do not include it, the rules of natural justice will require that they be given judges. On salaries and benefits, I will listen to what you have said and we will look for a method of solving it. Let me also address Dr. Khalwale. He has spoken extremely well. I heard him talk about Rwanda. I really beg that this country can follow that procedure. But I agree that it is not enough to renew the judiciary, if we do not renew the prosecution and the police who investigate. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I agree completely with Dr. Eseli because he also raised those issues. I agree with Mr. Njuguna completely. We will find a method of polishing this. I agree with my learned friend, Assistant Minister Onyonka. We will produce a national law. Mr. Chanzu could not have spoken better. I hope that he will give me a chance to come to his constituency and listen to him. He sounds like those people who are born with ability. The same applies to Mr. Oyongo Nyamweya regarding paid judges. For purposes of Kadhi’s courts, they qualify as magistrates and they will also be vetted. Mr. Elmi, and all of you who have spoken, my former client Mr. Mututho, because I cannot act for you now, I hear you loud and clear. With those far too many responses, acknowledging what Mr. Affey, Mr. Kamama and all the others have said, I beg to move. Thank you."
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