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    "id": 183408,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/183408/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Munyes",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Labour",
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        "legal_name": "John Kiyonga Munyes",
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    "content": "Who authorised those investments? It is very clear that it is the Board which authorised the trading of Kshs2.3 billion. Another question was that interdiction is not enough. Yes, it is not October 21, 2008 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 2841 enough! That is why I have gone to the Kenya Anti-Corruption Commission (KACC). So, it is a procedure to interdict first, before we take further disciplinary action. I am taking all those steps to ensure that we get into the bottom of that problem. The Treasury was not partly involved because they did not approve that. But the Permanent Secretary's representative sits in that Board. I questioned why that matter was not raised. On the issue of the NSSF Act, I agree with the hon. Member that we need to amend some clauses in this Act to give enough control to the Government so that, in future, we do not lose that kind of money. I would not talk about Mr. Atwoli because he is an individual. But what I am only saying is that I need support from this House. Finally, let me say that, that particular institution requires a forensic audit. It is not enough to be told that Kshs90 billion is the asset portfolio. I still believe that we should audit that institution to enable the public to understand whether we have that money in papers, or it is true that we have that money in the NSSF. I say that because when I started getting into problems with the former Managing Director (MD), I said that, that particular institution was a cloud. I said that because I knew there were problems in that organisation. Now, from today, we have seen all those problems appearing. They will appear more in the reports by the Controller and Auditor-General. So, what I would like to say to this House today is that we need a lot of support in this. Anybody with information should give it to me because we want to get to the root of this. Thank you very much."
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