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    "id": 196513,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Prof. Saitoti",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Provincial Administration and Internal Security",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 205,
        "legal_name": "George Muthengi Kinuthia Saitoti",
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    "content": " Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I am actually very amused by the fact that the hon. Member who has just sought a clarification will fairly soon be here to answer questions! That is because is already an Assistant Minister. But be that as it may, let me say that it is true that we do have the Mungiki. It is the one that has clearly been known to have perpetrated quite a lot of violence. It has done so by attacking innocent people. That, in itself, is criminal and contrary to the law. I think we have to agree that no one can use any excuse to kill, harm and destroy property belonging to innocent people. I think it is important for us to agree that any organization that embarks on that kind of a criminal route, has got to be dealt with. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for that reason, I am not aware of the fact that the root cause of the Mungiki violence is because they are disgruntled over the fact that, their so-called ancestral land has been taken by a few people in Central Province. We have not heard those people say that. They have spread quite a number of leaflets all over and none of them talks about the fact that they want to get that land. I have not heard about that. I think we have got to be very clear. Indeed, there are some hon. Members here who are from Central Province. They, perhaps, would be in a much better position to clarify that. No one has stated that one. The other thing that I want to make very clear is that I do not see how the Government would sit down to negotiate with people who have taken the law into their hands. They are killing people and burning peoples' property. I do not think any Government can do that sort of thing. What we have to do is to bring that thing to a halt. We are determined to ensure that, indeed, immediately after we bring the situation to normalcy, just like the post-election violence, that menace does not repeat itself again. We have to ensure that Kenyans live in peace. That is really important. I hope hon. Members will agree on that. Then, we can look at the various causes. The other point that was raised by hon. Bett regards the lady who was killed. That is Mrs. Maina. It is planned that she will be buried in their home in Kitengela. I do confirm that, indeed, it is true that, that particular home has been guarded by the security personnel from some time last year. The causative factor for that was the fact that, that place was being used for criminal activities. Therefore, security personnel had to be placed there to ensure that there was no eruption of criminal activities. Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the position is, and I want to be very clear on this, that when a person dies the Government cannot prevent that person from being buried or prescribe where he or she will be buried. Having said that, we hope that the relatives of Mrs. Nyakio Maina will ensure that the funeral service is carried out accordingly and is not used as an occasion for criminal activities. That is one thing that we have stated clearly. We cannot allow a funeral to be used for criminal activities. Thank you. April 16, 2008 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 493"
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