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    "id": 205129,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Ms. Karua",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs",
    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Martha Wangari Karua",
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    "content": " Mr. Temporary Deputy Chairman, Sir, I beg to oppose the view that the Clause is oppressive. One must stop to consider how oppressive looting public funds is. It causes death when people cannot get drugs in hospitals; when people cannot get essential services. It literally kills the economy and it causes extreme hardship, including death to the people of a country. So, the message being given by the second penalty is that corruption or economic crimes will not be tolerated. Mr. Temporary Deputy Chairman, Sir, I want to give an example. If a person has been charged with an economic crime where he or she has looted Kshs1 billion and he is fined Kshs1 million, that does not really make sense. You can go to jail for a short period, pay Kshs1 million and then come out to enjoy the looted wealth. But since the rationale is to put double the amount that you corruptly received or unjustly enriched yourself, it is a message that it does not pay to abuse public office. Mr. Temporary Deputy Chairman, Sir, I beg to oppose the amendment."
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