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"content": " Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to assure hon. Members that their contributions will be taken very much into account as we move ahead to utilise the Budget that they have, so overwhelmingly, supported. As I said, we are short by over Kshs18 billion. I think I should mention here that we will initiate discussions for the Government to re-look at the central allocations, which are made according to the sectors. The factors that influence those allocations are highly dynamic, Therefore, the grouping of Ministries in various sectors that was done two years ago can hardly apply today, because of that dynamism. The issues that have been raised here, and they have been favourable, in particular issues concerning, for example, the creation of new districts--- The Government expressed its intention to create districts. This has been very much supported, and even where you hear dissent, it comes from the minority of the people. This country has committed itself to the will of the majority. I think that, that is a very good principle to follow in the management of human affairs, that those who have a bigger voice like we vote here, will carry the day. Indeed, there have been very few cases. In creating these districts, we are very careful not to balkanise this country into tribal groupings, because our aim is to create a nation; one nation in Kenya. So, for those who approach this problem from that angle of a clan are not being fair to the policy that is so well articulated that there can be no doubt as to which direction we are taking in these matters, as a Government. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, there were certain concerns expressed because of the nature of the crime we are having. Neither we, in the Government, nor those in the Police Force wish to see anybody die, whether in the hands of the police or in the hands of gangsters. However, I think one point is being raised, namely what, for example, Prof. Maathai would like to see. She would like to see somebody being persuaded as he points a gun at you, as a policeman. I think it is highly naive to expect that a policeman will react in that manner when someone is pointing a gun at him to kill him. It is unnatural! In fact, that is a very naive expectation. It is within human nature to try to save yourself from any danger which you perceive to be facing you. This is how our policemen react. In any case, why would that gangster have a gun? In Uganda, lest people think that I do not know what is going on there, if you are found with an unauthorised gun, and you are a civilian, you are immediately treated as one of the 2502 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES July 12,2006 members of the armed forces for the very fact that you own a gun. Your case is then taken over by the army and you are placed under court martial. In 99 per cent out of 100 chances, you will be sentenced to death through a firing squad. That is what is happening in Uganda! I wish criminals here would allow the police to apprehend them, so that we can hand them over to Mr. Karume for onward handing over to the Department of Defence (DoD) for the same treatment as in Uganda. Unfortunately, that, again, is naive on my part to expect that they will behave that way. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, let us understand this problem. I want to commend Ms. Ndung'u for understanding this problem. I do not know whether she is in the House, although she does not need to be here for me to say so. These are criminal gangs which people continue to refer to as Mungiki . They themselves have never referred to themselves as Mungiki, but we are perpetuating this myth. These are, pure and simple, criminals, who have decided that they will earn their livelihood by using force against other people. It cuts across the very principle that we have adopted in developing this country, namely that we shall sweat for everything that we have, and that we are a working nation that will contribute to the development of this country. Therefore, let us understand it that way. We are dealing with gangs of criminals, and the Attorney-General and myself have already started moving towards legislating against organised gangs and criminals. We hope that when the Bill, which is already in draft form, comes to this House, it will be supported. It is in this Bill that if it can be proved that a criminal's wealth has been acquired through illegal means, it will be taken over by the State. The offence of possession of a gun illegally will be a capital offence. So, these matters are going to come because in every society there are certain developments that require their own way of treatment. We are in a situation where, as responsible leaders, we must protect the majority from the harassment by the minority. Not only harassment but killing! People have had their necks power-sawed. Just imagine yourself losing your neck through a power saw. That is an evil thing! Indeed, it is better to have one bullet and get finished with. But this is something that these people enjoy doing. A lot of other things, that I cannot say here, have come to my attention. So, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, let us understand that as a nation, we must arrest that monster. We must support the police and not use those occasions to behave as if we are seeking for votes at the expense of the lives of very many Kenyans. We must be able to tell the truth, even if I do not have to come to this House again. I am not going to lie in order to be given votes. I will speak the truth as it is! I am sure the truth will save me."
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