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    "id": 223453,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/223453/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Prof. Anyang'-Nyong'o",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 193,
        "legal_name": "Peter Anyang' Nyong'o",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I stand to support this Motion. I would like to recall that when I was the Chairman of the Public Investment Committee (PIC) in the mid-1990s, we went round various public institutions to find out the problems they had, especially where cases of corruption had been mentioned. It was a very common feature, that almost everywhere we went, we found that public institutions were suffering as a result of their land being grabbed. That was done by all kinds of individuals. The problem was; how do you May 2, 2007 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 1035 determine the extent of the land that belongs to the institution and how do you hold some of the people who had grabbed the land responsible for grabbing the land? A legal issue then ensued and more so, because most of the institutions did not have title deeds to the land. It was not very clear to them how to get the title deeds. Even in situations where they had initiated the process of getting the title deeds, it was very difficult to get them from the Ministry of Lands. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I have the problem of trying to gain title deeds for primary schools and churches in my constituency. I think all this mischief can be cured by the Ministry implementing the proposals in this Motion. Rather than require the institutions to pay a fee to get their title deeds, the Government can get the money by charging institutions land rates once they get their title deeds. The revenue accrued by getting annual land rates---"
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