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    "id": 223488,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. Ochilo-Ayacko",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Ochilo George Mbogo Ayacko",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, my point is very serious. We are very supportive. The Minister has said that his Ministry is eager to protect public land. In the same breath, public land is being given out to people. So, that in itself, is contradictory. If these people had not been compensated, I think there is legal redress. They can go to court and seek that compensation. As far as the public is concerned, Kibwezi needs to have a big university that can educate all Kenyans. So, the land that is available, be it 12 or 100 acres, should have been intended for that purpose. So, Members of Parliament should preoccupy themselves with mobilizing money to put up universities to educate Kenyans, be they in Kibwezi or elsewhere, instead of giving away land intended for learning purposes. If we give out land in Kibwezi, we will be denying posterity land that the Government would otherwise avail to it for construction of universities. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, Mr. Kaindi captured some other difficulties not related to the issue of payment of fees and charges to this Department. There are very serious procedural difficulties in the issuance of title deeds for parcels of land that are supposed to house public institutions. Prof. Kibwana was my very able teacher. That is why I did not want to have a confrontation with him. He taught me constitutional law and family law at the university. I believe that he should do more than going for the waiver of the fees. I want to also, humbly, pray for him that he gets the job of the Minister for Lands instead of continuing to act as one. He is a good lawyer, and he should be able to protect public lands and waive these fees. I want to conclude by saying that, basically, these institutions are owned by the Government. I do not understand from where the Government expects money for payment of these charges. If you own the institutions, then pay the charges or waive them altogether, because asking the institutions to pay the charges would be like robbing Paul to pay Peter, which is rather paradoxical. If the institutions are owned by the Government, the Government should be responsible for the issuance of the titles deeds without visiting payments on other persons, who do not have ownership. With those very many remarks, I want to conclude by thanking everybody for supporting this Motion. I beg to Move. May 2, 2007 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 1047"
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