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    "speaker_name": "Mr. ole Ntimama",
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        "legal_name": "William Ronkorua ole Ntimama",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir. I have talked about April 11, 2007 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES 557 ineptitude, unwillingness, and the readiness of the Government to tackle these conflicts. This issue has come out because of the so-called intention to create new districts. Truly, there are so many conflicts, including in Gatundu, Garissa and everywhere else. We have a very bitter conflict in Narok right now because some people want to grab the Maasai Mara, and we are saying: \"No, this is a resource which the Maasai of all sides have shared for the last 60 years\". The question is: \"Is the Government really not a party to creating these conflicts?\" They might not agree, but if it was properly examined, they could be part and parcel of the whole problem. I am saying this because if they push these ideas down the throats of the people without finding out what the people think and what they want, then definitely, they will be creating conflicts, disagreements and disharmony. Starting conflicts like that could blow up into a big problem. My friend, hon. Matiba, kept on saying that the people must be listened to. Even in this situation, if we want to create liberal democracy and not dictatorship of a few individuals who are naturally greedy, then, let us listen to the voice of the people. Let the people speak. I do not mind if the people say that they want a district. That will be fine. But if the people say they do not want a district, that is also fine. Let the people decide. You should not push issues down their throats because you will be creating conflicts. In Tharaka and Nithi, people were fighting over the district boundaries. This is another interesting thing. The district boundaries in this country are entrenched in our Constitution since 1964. If you want to change the district boundaries, then you must bring an amendment to the Constitution. I am trying to explain ineptitude, unwillingness, disregard to the rights of the people and democracy, as the cause of some of these problems. I have given the two examples of Mt. Elgon and Tharaka. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, we have a bigger problem ourselves. This is why I think that the people must decide on some of these things."
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