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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Cheboi",
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        "legal_name": "Moses Kipkemboi Cheboi",
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    "content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the issue of issuing land and removing people who are already in those areas is going to create a very big problem. This is what happened: When the Government decided to settle the Ogiek and some of the Soy, there were people who were already in those farms. These are the people who have now created the problem because they had already developed that particular land. I am sure hon. Serut will bear me out. Some permanent houses had already been constructed in those areas. When you go and say that this particular person be taken to another area, they will always create a problem. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, some of the people who have gone to the forest to fight for their rights have gone there for different reasons. Some have gone there to try and reclaim what they already had. Therefore, sending the police to go and flush them out or fight them can never be a solution because, first, the police do not even understand the terrain of that area. The people you call \"army\" understand that terrain even better. So, the police will not even be able to go in there. What should you do? The first thing that you should do is to give them some amnesty, whether we like it or not. By doing that, we can be able to sit down together, talk to them and ask them where the problem is. If it is the issue of land, the Ministry of Lands should come out and give a solution, even if it means separating the warring communities! Let me tell you why that happened. In my constituency, when I was not yet an hon. Member, there were tribal clashes in 1992. A particular community was taken to another area in the constituency of hon. Mukiri and they have been living there peacefully up to this moment. Those are some of the things that must be considered. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, there are elders in that particular area who are very respected, and I know them by name. But I am not going to take the liberty of naming them. They are very respected elders. When you name them on paper and say that there is some particular amount of money on the head of one particular elder, they run away! But they will run away after having advised their communities to go to war. So, the first thing that you must do is to remove the bounty on their head and ask them to come home to participate in the peace process."
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