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"content": "No, no, no! Not as yet. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, even as we give the Minister money, we want him to go and do deep soul searching within the Ministry. He should find out what is ailing the Government year in, year out. I do not think we will be helping the Government by coming here and making holier than thou statements like \"Those who break the law or incite will be arrested and investigated\". Those kind of empty threats are not going to help! I heard those statements in this House this afternoon. We need to ask ourselves questions. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, if the Ministry of State for Administration and Internal Security is a reflection of the Government, then something must be very wrong, not just with the individuals in the Government, but also within the Kenyan society. This does not just happen with the chiefs, assistant chiefs and policemen; it means that the Kenyan out there has a problem. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, so, if the Ministry of State for Administration and Internal Security is the epitome of the Government, what lessons do you draw from these reports? What actions, if any, are in the pipeline? Can we see a provision within the Budget that goes to address this problem? Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Minister talked about the Government Printer. I agree with the proposal by one of the speakers that it is high time that place was made an autonomous body. It is high time it was de-linked from the Office of the President, just like we did to the National Security Intelligence Service (NSIS). I do not think there should be any problems about that. I can recall a time in the past when we talked about some highly costly equipment that was bought for the Government Printer and which, to my knowledge, has never been commissioned. I heard the Minister say today that they want to buy new ones. Once again, we are waiting to hear about money that went to waste. I agree that there is need for us to move along with technology, but it will be a disaster that we have never heard about the commissioning of that equipment which was bought for the Government Printer and now we are talking of buying new ones. It could be something that is straight but, perhaps, in the not too distant future, I believe that the Public Accounts Committee (PAC) is likely to be addressing that issue. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want to urge the Minister to look into the issue of recruitment into the police force, administration police and things like those. I am one of the people who have said in this House that it is not the business of hon. Members to go to the office of a Minister to tell him: \"Help me through this\". I do not consider it my business! Is it not possible for the Minister to devise systems which will be foolproof, so that the people who go out there to recruit do not interfere with the process? Year in, year out, when there is recruitment, we always hear complaints. Is it not possible for that situation to be arrested? Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Community Policing Programme is a very good idea and it is laudable. But what surprises me is that when you go to the districts, you do not hear of any resources which have been allocated for those activities! We get letters asking us to contribute money to launch community policing activities and things like those. If we are going to encourage those kinds of requests by writing to businessmen, obviously, when they fund those 1962 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES July 11, 2006 activities, they will, in return, expect certain favours when they engage in criminal activities, or when they commit other illegalities. There is no magic about this issue. It is not rocket science. You should expect it to happen. If you do not allocate resources for those activities and you write to businessmen appealing for their help, they will be very happy to write cheques to the District Commissioners (DCs), Officers Commanding Police Divisions (OCPDs) and the likes, but you will also pay for it. It is not going to be for free. They are not going to become Government angels overnight. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me turn to the issue of the National Agency for the Campaign Against Drug Abuse (NACADA). In my view, the NACADA should not be in the Office of the President. I do not know what it is doing there. What has NACADA done? What are its results since its establishment? We need to review the mandate of NACADA. When you go to some areas where miraa is grown, you will find primary school kids engaged in that business. What NACADA does is like what we used to see in the National AIDS Control Council (NACC); creating awareness seminars. We cannot live in seminars! Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, is it not possible that we can now move away from seminars and go to implement what we have resolved in those seminars? I suspect that we might be living in an era where the country may be on auto-pilot. With those few remarks, I beg to support."
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