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    "id": 253906,
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    "speaker_name": "Ms. Karua",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Justice and Constitutional Affairs",
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        "legal_name": "Martha Wangari Karua",
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    "content": "We need to check our systems to see where the weaknesses are. We know that these systems used to work before when there were no scams of this kind. But because the human mind 432 PARLIAMENTARY DEBATES April 6, 2006 continues to be very devious and goes on to devise ways of escaping the normal, we also have to be advanced in the way we conduct surveillance on one another. We are now called upon in this law- making House to look for ways and means to ensure that the loopholes that allow these types of scams are sealed once and for all. Recommendation No. V tells the Accounting Officer, Office of the President in charge of internal security, to ensure that security equipment is categorized in order to ascertain their degree of secrecy. This, once again, is a useful recommendation. Look at what has been done in the name of security projects; cars and communication equipment. Granted, that some communication equipment can be classified as security, but what we have seen in all this, not all of them are security issues. We need that categorization. Once again, I want to agree with this Committee that we need a Parliamentary Security Committee whose Members can be vetted so that they help in scrutiny. The system of having three Arms of Government which provide checks and balances are necessary, and providing a watchdog Committee that can scrutinize what is going on in the Government is part of those checks and balances. After all, it has been proved that this very crappy and devious cartel has been able to evade two Governments for over one decade. We, therefore, also need to find ways and means of being able, where the Government, the Civil Service or bureaucracy is unable to detect, at least, Parliament will be able to raise it in its audit. So, it is to the advantage of every Kenyan that these measures be taken. Mr. Speaker, Sir, we also agree to the recommendation that the Minister for Finance should report regularly to Parliament on all external loans contracted by the Government. It is a pity that part of the loan portfolio is part of the scam. If it is money that has benefitted Kenyans, then we have no problem as a nation paying the loans. But it is totally wrong to pay for services that have not been rendered to Kenyans to enrich just a few people. It is actually criminal to do that when we have people starving."
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