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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Kipchumba",
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        "legal_name": "Joseph Kipchumba Lagat",
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    "content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was saying that Mr. Oyula, in his testimony, said that he was ordered by Mr. Mwiraria to ensure that those funds are refunded immediately. When you go to a certain officer and order him to ensure that money is refunded and, indeed, it is refunded--- There was no correspondence to show that there was a legal tussle between Anglo-Leasing and Treasury! The money was refunded immediately. It is a clear indication that there was a special relationship between the Treasury and the principals of Anglo-Leasing. There was no tussle. The money was returned. Unfortunately, we lost Kshs2 million! The Committee would like that money to be refunded by those concerned. Mr. Speaker, Sir, one other individual, a Mr. Silvester Mwaliko, who was the Permanent Secretary in the Office of the Vice-President and Ministry of Home Affairs, told us that one day, while in his office, a Mr. Kettering and people associated with Anglo-Leasing walked to his office to discuss security matters. It would be very difficult for an individual on the road to imagine that there is a contract in the Office of the Vice-President and Minister for Home Affairs, walk in and discuss security matters! Mr. Mwaliko became very free and discussed secret security matters with a stranger! That showed us very clearly that senior civil servants were involved in those contracts. They sucked in the political figures. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I would like to make it clear that, indeed, a Cabinet approval was given for that project in 2001. But what was approved was a policy that allowed lease financing to be used in this country for security equipment, forensic science laboratories and housing. What was not approved were the companies that, subsequently, took over the procurement of those items. Many senior politicians have argued here that they were not involved. We have three tapes. We have one tape on Mr. Murungi, one on Mr. Mwiraria and Mr. Githongo. Those tapes are available for hon. Members. In one of those tapes, Mr. Murungi pointed out that in 1997 and 2002, Mr. Perera supported the \"Chief\". We interpreted the word \"Chief\" in our own terms to mean the President. Those tapes are there and hon. Members---"
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