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    "id": 254495,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/254495/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. J. Nyagah",
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        "legal_name": "Joseph Nthiga Nyagah",
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    "content": "Mr. Speaker, Sir, I stand here to support this Report and to clarify a few issues since I was in Cabinet at that particular time. There is no question in my mind that the biggest problem with this country and in Africa in general is corruption. The other day, I attended a seminar where I was told that out of a purchasing budget of Kenya of Kshs150 billion, Kshs20 billion to Kshs30 billion is stolen. Let me quote procurement officers of Kenya both in the private and public sectors. They said that if Kshs20 billion to Kshs30 billion was to be saved and used properly, we would have three times more primary schools. We have about 120,000 primary schools, whereas we would have about 300,000 at the same cost. Mr. Speaker, Sir, I was also told that for the same saving, we would have double the number of health facilities that we have in this country. This means that we have a serious problem which all of us - whether you are from the Government side or not - must accept we have. We must also accept that this problem started soon after Independence. Stealing has been going on since Independence-- -"
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