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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Lesrima",
    "speaker_title": "The Assistant Minister, Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security",
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        "legal_name": "Simon Saimanga Lesirma",
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    "content": " Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, thank you very much. I would like to inform the hon. Lady that I do not intend to go on and on. I am a prospective Governor and I hold this matter very seriously. I have also been following the contributions of Members since yesterday. So, I will follow the Standing Orders and try as much as possible to avoid repetition. The other point I wanted to make has been mentioned by other Members. However, I want to put emphasis and it would look a bit awkward to say that under Article 31(k), we must deal with security issues very carefully and sensibly. I would not recommend that the Governor shares security committees. We are already experiencing pre-election violence in certain parts of this country. People are jostling for positions and there is indication that our communities are polarized. I will not mention this county but I walked into one county as the Assistant Minister for Internal Security and members of a community looked at me and the leaders simply walked out. This made me think very hard that perhaps, we should look seriously into the issue of chairmanship of the security committees particularly where you have continuous or perennial community conflict over pasture, cattle, boundaries and many other things. If you get a Governor from one community, he will be viewed as somebody who cannot be fair in arbitration. However, I am glad that the Constitution provides, under security organs, an arrangement that can accommodate those fears. On the issue of public participation, I want to talk about the Budget. I am happy that there has already been an experiment in this field. I know that Government Ministries have already gone round and held workshops for public participation in the formulation of budgets. We want to see community involvement in discussing results of audits for various departments. Finally, on the issue of suspension of counties in the case of war and conflict, it is not very clear to me whether it is internal war, it is war between counties or war between Kenya and a neighbouring country. We need to refine that. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, with those many remarks, I beg to support this Bill."
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