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"content": "Mr. Duale asked, more or less, the same question by giving the other examples. I have said that MRC may have been involved in all those, but we have put conditions under which we will be able to talk to them, if they renounced all those engagements, particularly the criminal activities that undermine the security of this country. Secondly, we have also said that this country must remain a united democratic State that we will not agree or tolerate any movement that seeks to dismember this country, to divide this country or to excise a portion of this country and declare it a separate republic. Dr. Nuh talked about land in Lamu. I want the hon. Member to seek more information. I want to inform him that in the Lamu case, there have been very extensive consultations between the Government and the local population. The title deeds have been issued to the real coastal people. I am talking about the 2,000 title deeds. I issued them, myself, in a few islands to the indigenous people and they picked them themselves. He may be talking about what had happened in the past, but not now with respect to the new Lamu Port. We have been very fair. We know that in the past, there were upcountry people who were settled there a long time ago and they were issued with title deeds. Even those people themselves do not feel secure that they have title deeds, while the indigenous people do not have. They were the first to petition the Government to give title deeds to the indigenous people. So the indigenous people have been given title deeds. The exercise is still ongoing. The Ministry of Lands is carrying out surveys to issue more title deeds to the people. But we are doing much more as we announced during the launch of the project. We said that we are going to even set up a training institution to train the people of the area, so that they can be able to more meaningfully and effectively participate in the project. When a project of that magnitude comes to an area, of course, it changes the lifestyle of the people. Some people might have to move away from traditional fishing to other methods of fishing or to other trades. We have prepared to empower these people so that they can benefit more from this investment."
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