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    "id": 29177,
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    "speaker_name": "Mr. Sirma",
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    "speaker": {
        "id": 178,
        "legal_name": "Simon Saimanga Lesirma",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, for giving me the opportunity to contribute to this very important Bill. Kenyans have always looked upon this House to pass legislation which will make their lives better. On the contrary, we have been having a problem since we started establishing institutions like the KACC which have been giving statements, threatening people and creating empires to themselves in order to increase the price of corruption in this country. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, when fines for traffic offences were increased to punish traffic offenders, the police also increased their bribes. Therefore, we need to have a legislation which will give the public confidence that they are protected by the law. The first director of the KACC is currently a Member of this House. The second one, who exited some few years ago and the current one have just been talking and doing a lot of nothing while earning a lot of money from the State. This time round, we want the members to rise to the occasion for us to have commissioners and a secretary to this Commission who know their work. We just took a person from the street and told him to head a commission without knowing what he was supposed to do there. We need to protect the rights of all the staff who are there. We need to transit them from the current KACC into the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission, which we are creating through this Bill, so that the members of the public can have confidence and apply for jobs in institutions like this. Grand corruption has never been fought adequately through the courts. The best way to fight against corruption is by deterring people from involving themselves in corrupt practices. We should educate members of the public to know what they are supposed to do, and what they are not supposed to do, especially in respect of petty offences, or petty corruption offences. These are really rampant and are seen by the anti-corruption body as a step forward; they have always been reporting them. I am told that the majority of the members of staff hover in offices of senior officers and Ministers of Government, doing a lot of nothing but gossiping and asking: “Did you see a document going round here? We are looking forward to charging a Minister but we are not getting one”. That is not their work. Their work is to prevent corruption by giving civic education on corruption, and not by trailing people and tapping phones. I wonder why the KACC even bought that equipment. What for? We need to sell it to another country which does not have it, because it does not serve any purpose. In order for you to tap my phone, you have to go to court and seek orders to do so. If you do not have the authority of a court, how on earth can you just say that you heard me speak through telephone? Through what means did you hear me speak on phone? These are criminals. I would say that the cause of some of the deaths in this country is, possibly, this practice because they track your movement. Those gadgets are for tracking people. They can track you as you leave Parliament, all the way to your house. Once they know that you are in your house, they can come for you. This is dangerous equipment. We cannot entrust in armatures, people who are not security agents, with these powers. With those remarks, I beg to support."
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