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    "id": 307165,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Dr. Khalwale",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Bonny Khalwale",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, when I think about this Bill, which I rise to support, I look at it as being the door through which we shall ensure that the survival of the state called Kenya and our national values is ensured. For this reason, I want to support this Bill and join hon. Wetangula in urging Members that if there is a Bill which we should all support, it should be this Bill that assures us State survival and survival of our national values. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I want from the outset to congratulate the National Security Intelligence Service (NSIS) for the success they have demonstrated in ensuring that the insurgence of Al Shabaab has not done more damage than we have witnessed to date. I am also aware that it is also through intelligence that the Kenya Defence Forces are recording success upon success in Somalia. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the challenge to supporting this Bill is the issue in the Constitution that addresses the matter of freedom of access to information. I want to request my colleagues that as we look at the issue of freedom of access to information, we must treat that on the principle of need to know basis. What is the use of having access to State intelligence that has got to do with matters containing a threat to the country, just for the sake of being seen that you have access to information? Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I also want to urge the hon. Members that as we take it easy on this matter of access to information, we should address the issue of patriotism. It is upon us leaders – Members of Parliament – who will be interrogating the Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security, on matters of secrecy. We are the ones who are supposed to demonstrate patriotism by making sure that we help the Ministry of State for Provincial Administration and Internal Security to enjoy this secrecy that is important for the success of this information. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, if in being patriotic we commit ourselves to supporting the National Intelligence Service, then we must know that we must go all the way. This will mean that Members of Parliament and the rest of the leaders in this country push the Executive to ensure that all mobile phone owners are registered. There is no way you can pursue a criminal if he is able to change his phones from time to time. It is important that we support the State on this. What is more, we must demand that the State ensures that these so-called anonymous calls that we get on our phones, are stopped. Surely, the person who is calling me knows my number. So, why should he enjoy the privilege of communicating with me when he knows my number and I do not know his number? We must stop this culture of anonymous calls. Somebody with good intentions will, surely, not give you an anonymous call. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me, on this issue of anonymous calls, tell the hon. Members what obtains in Ethiopia. Ethiopia might not be a good example for purposes of freedom, but in Ethiopia if you are found to be using a roaming number, believe me you, they provide that you be jailed for 15 years. I am not saying that we should do the same, but it shows---"
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