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"content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the Minister for Trade is supporting me vehemently. He is saying that the same obtains in the United Kingdom (UK). You cannot expect to be safe, unless you make it difficult, in the modern era of Information Technology (IT), for crooks to have difficulties in getting a number. We want a criminal who crosses the border from Uganda into Busia and then Kenya, to find it very difficult to make a call in Kenya, until he is forced to borrow a phone from somebody, and the moment he does that, that is the beginning of tracking down that particular criminal. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, having said those things, which are fairly dangerous on this Bill, I am supporting the clause in this Bill that provides for surveillance of phone users. We must do this. If you are pursuing the issue of surveillance of phone users; who is afraid to be subjected to this? Ordinarily, you will find that they are usually the high and mighty; Members of Parliament, sometimes, included. What is their biggest fear? Their biggest fear is actually nothing. It is that some of the communications they make on petty little things like love talk and messages will be kept on a record. Who cares if my communication with a presumed lover is recorded, but in the process of being recorded, I enjoy my relationship with her in a quiet and nice city called Nairobi, in a five-star or two-star hotel or even a brothel, for those who use them, so that we can feel safe wherever we are. Why would you want to oppose this kind of law? This is a fact. For those of you who come from the western part of the country, if you stop at a place called Salgaa, for example, or the ones who go down to the Coast, if you stop at Mlolongo, there are all those truck drivers. It is a very beautiful hideout for criminals. Therefore, we must track them. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, the only thing we would do, as we allow the NSIS to track our phones, is to demand of these officers very high ethical standards. So, an officer serving in this service must be tested and proven that he or she is a person of high ethical standards, only comparable to a group of doctors called anesthetists. Those are highly ethical people, because once he subjects you to anesthesia, you are at his mercy. He either reverses or leaves you there, and you will remain in the graveyard. So, we demand for these high standards. Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, let me give the hon. Members an example of what I found while researching on this Bill, as obtaining in India. In India, which is one of the most democratic societies in the world--- In fact, it is the biggest democracy in the world. In this biggest democracy in the world, they have allowed their state intelligence to even subcontract surveillance. You can hire a private firm and tell that firm: “I am giving you this number. For the following 72 hours track it so that I am in total picture of what that number is doing.” That is how nations of the world remain safe. What is more, usually regarding these so-called travel advisories that we hear from the United States of America, United Kingdom and Canada, they are able to tell us that Mombasa is about to be bombed by simply monitoring the conversations of the possible attackers of that particular place. So, we use that kind of method to get what we would get firsthand on our part. So, why would we then tie the hands of the officers that take care of our security? Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, I will not stop---"
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