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    "content": "We all know how the Special Branch made this country ungovernable by killing democracy. Did they have guns? They did not have guns. If you give them guns what will happen? Already people have formed a certain perception towards the NIS personnel. Just imagine this scenario where the police officers, the CID and NIS will come to search your premises. How many officers will search your premises for a particular thing? There will be conflict of roles. It has to be clear here. The chairman has said he will bring various amendments to strengthen this Bill. These amendments will go a long way to help us have a security intelligence which will not interfere with our lives; which will do gathering of information, not to safeguard the interests of a few individuals or people in the Government, but the interest of the country called Kenya. With those few remarks, I propose the following clauses be amended or deleted. For example, Clause 77(5) be deleted because it calls for a jail term not exceeding three years or a fine of Kshs300,000, or both for a person who obtains or seizes any classified information. Secondly, Clause 77(1) should be re-looked at and, if possible, some sections deleted. Thirdly, Clause 77(3) should also be deleted. We want fairness and justice when this body is gathering information. We want them to gather information that can help this nation to move forward. We do not want them to create fear among citizens. Lives have been lost---"
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