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    "id": 316686,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Ms. Amina Abdallah",
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        "legal_name": "Amina Ali Abdalla",
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    "content": "Mr. Temporary Deputy Speaker, Sir, what I was trying to say is that we need to separate the personal grievances we might be having with Mr. Kimunya with the issue at hand. I am saying that because only last week, we appreciated the contents of the Constitution that say a person is innocent until proven guilty. So, if we are saying that we want this person to be investigated, we cannot then again say that we want this person investigated but he should not hold public office. We are already sealing his fate, then there is, definitely, no need to carry investigation on a person you have already said he should not hold public office. I started with the perception of unpopularity because when you have other issues clouding an individual, it is so easy to lump the perception with the actual issues. The reason I support this amendment is not because Mr. Kimunya is innocent. This is because I do not know if he is innocent or not. I will only know if he is innocent once the investigations by EACC have been approved. If we passed in the Leadership and Integrity Bill that we will not allow anybody to be held responsible unless all avenues of appeal have already been taken into consideration, then we will be judging Mr. Kimunya and Prof. Ndung’u before a court of law has concluded or investigation with an institution such as the Ethics and Anti-Corruption Commission has already been done. So, based on those reasons that we will be denying them their constitutional rights of being innocent until proven guilty, I support this amendment and urge hon. Members that let us"
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