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    "id": 335907,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Mr. M. Kilonzo",
    "speaker_title": "The Minister for Education",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 47,
        "legal_name": "Mutula Kilonzo",
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    "content": " I salute what the Minister is saying, but I happen to be a lawyer who has practised a tremendous amount of litigation for universities. In fact, I am the lawyer who represented universities in introducing the otherwise known as “irregular programmes”. Let me assure you that even if you delete that law denying advocates rights of audience, the courts will still allow advocates. On issues touching on human rights, the rights of the individual, this being such a legislative body, the court will find that due process has not been allowed, if the student is not allowed representation. I know that in some cases, I introduce such clauses like the latest coalition but for purposes of universities you must allow the student access legal counsel. What you can do as a country is to limit that process, to have regulations governing that process but to deny that student who has been expelled or disciplined in another manner the right of legal counsel, it is not right. That has been held by courts throughout the commonwealth that it undermines the right to a free and fair hearing. I rest my case."
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