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    "id": 345255,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Dr. Mwiria",
    "speaker_title": "The Assistant Minister for Higher Education, Science and Technology",
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        "legal_name": "Valerian Kilemi Mwiria",
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    "content": " Thank you, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, for giving me this opportunity to also support The National Government Coordination Bill. I want to agree with the hon. Members who have spoken before me that chiefs have a role to play, but also appreciate that some of them are very talented. These days we have chiefs who have bachelor and masters degrees. They have been extremely useful as role models for our people. It is important to acknowledge that. But at the same time, we should ask questions about their terms and conditions of service. That is one area that is always never clear. Sometimes politicians and others interfere with their recruitment, so that we do not always get the best people on the basis of merit. Secondly, Madam Temporary Deputy Speaker, I just want to say that the biggest problem is that of not working together. It is important to see how we can coordinate that through training to see to it that with the new county governments, the chiefs will have been trained to fit in the system. There are those who are afraid of politicians interfering with the running of public administration. This is because the politicians have always interfered. In fact, I can quote examples in Meru County where politicians treat DCs like domestic servants. Whenever the politicians are not there, they are the ones who represent them and will go by whatever the politician says, irrespective of whether or not it is correct. So, we need to protect the chiefs and DCs from politicians like those who want to misuse and make them their own property as opposed to serving the whole community."
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