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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ngong’o",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "John Mbadi Ng'ong'o",
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    "content": "First of all, hon. Chairlady, let me put it on record that what hon. Nyokabi is seeking to achieve is not to amend the memorandum. Hon. Nyokabi is adding a new clause to the Bill which is Clause No.7. Let me advise the Leader of the Majority Party, I have dealt with Treasury for now about five years and I know that you have to be very careful when you are dealing with the Treasury. If the intention of the Treasury was just to explain to us or to give us memorandum, we would not have had these schedules, like the one trying to set ceiling. If we are not careful, we are saying through this memorandum that Parliament will only access Kshs.16.7 billion. That is the ceiling set. We have to be very careful with Treasury. Treasury is one animal that is very complicated and especially when it comes to finances. They can easily mislead you. I would urge that even if there is no additional information we are getting from this clause, why can it not be there? Even if it is in the Constitution, why can we not just have it to be safe and to be sure that whatever we are passing with this Bill, another lawyer will not come and interpret differently. I would urge this House that even if hon. Nyakabi’s amendment is not adding any value, it also does not take anything out of the Bill. Why do we not have it, because she is just saying that the memorandum that you have brought to us will not bind us when we are dealing with Estimates because if it will bind us, it is very dangerous. Judiciary is asking for Kshs23 billion and you are showing them that you can only give the Kshs15 billion. What if we realize that at the time we are dealing with estimates that they require more?. Why do they repeat to us the issue of SRC, something they know this House does not like very much? Why do they put it in the Bill? They are reminding us about something. They say if you want to know the owner of a dog, beat the dog and you will see the master coming. Now I have known who has sent SRC, it is the National Treasury. If we are not careful, we are just going to validate the SRC’s mischief. So, I urge this House even if hon. Nyokabi’s amendment is not helping us in anything, let us just have it there to protect us."
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