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    "id": 390176,
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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Kagwe",
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        "legal_name": "Mutahi Kagwe",
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    "content": "Thank you very much, Mr. Temporary Speaker, for the opportunity to contribute to this important Motion. I believe that it is also one that is well thought out and clearly defined. From the outset even before I talk about this particular Motion, I think it is important for us to ask ourselves as the Senate where these Motions go, once we finish contributing to them. Ideally, the Committee on Implementation should actually be following to ensure that what we are saying in this House reaches the respective Ministries and authorities for implementation. On a couple of occasions, I have met Cabinet Secretaries and I have asked them what they are doing about particular Motions that were passed in the Senate and inevitably almost without exception, they have all said: “Which Motion are you talking about?’. They have not seen the Motions. Therefore it is important as a House to debate and follow through to ensure that there is implementation. There is no need for us to come here and have a nice discussion and then nothing happens thereafter. I am saying this because this is a very important Motion and we must ensure that it is implemented. Education related to county governance is a key factor to the positive implementation of this new Constitution. If we do not have people who are going to train, then we are going to waste our time. Not even that, we have a whole Ministry for Devolution and Planning that has been given sufficient funding to build capacity for the counties, but the manner in which they are training is fairly ad hoc . One minute there is training in Busia and then there is a little request from Nyeri and then Turkana. It is being done in a very ad hoc manner that cannot be quantified and be eventually effective. Therefore, this is the kind of institution that will deliver, and the Ministry of Devolution and Planning should be working as a multi-Ministry task, liaising with the Ministry of Education and the Ministry of Interior and Coordination of National Government to see whether they can expand the Kenya School of Government (KSG) or like Sen. Wetangula says, whether we should be starting a new college or expand colleges that already exist, for example, the Kimathi University in Nyeri or the Masinde Muliro University in Kakamega. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, when we talk about the formation of this institution, who will we train? We would like to believe that Sen. Wako in bringing this Motion was thinking about the training of the county civil service and Members of the County Assemblies because there is no point of training the right hand and the left hand does not know what the right hand is doing. So, in developing the curriculum for such an institution, it is important for us to ask ourselves who we are going to train and consequently design a curriculum that addresses all those areas. If you look at the quality of debate that sometimes goes on in the county assemblies, you can see it is very basic. This is the kind of institution that can train the Members of the County Assemblies to engage themselves in a debate that is fairly sophisticated because it is going to be issues based. But that can only come from a properly designed curriculum. I can go further and say that such a curriculum should be benchmarked amongst the best in the world and not in Kenya. Other nations have got devolved governments and training facilities for their devolved governments."
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