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    "id": 391477,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/391477/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ethuro",
    "speaker_title": "October 23, 2013 SENATE DEBATES 4 The Speaker",
    "speaker": {
        "id": 158,
        "legal_name": "Ekwee David Ethuro",
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    "content": " I just want to respond to some of the issues raised by the hon. Senators. First, it must be very clear to each and every one of us that a Communication from the Chair is not a basis for discussion or debate. But because of the issues that are arising from that particular Communication, I may need to clarify so that all of us can move together as a House. I will start with the issues raised by the Senator from Mombasa County, Sen. Hassan, which are related to the issues raised by Sen. (Dr.) Machage, the Senator for Migori County. They also closely related to the issues raised by Sen. (Prof.) Lonyangapuo from West Pokot County in the sense that as a House, on behalf of the two Houses, we are responsible for the affairs of the Pan African Parliament. There is also concern over the delay in submitting the names and thirdly the fact that, maybe, the names have been returned with some amendments. My advice is that we will deal with that particular matter when it is properly communicated to me. I am yet to receive a message from the National Assembly on what happened there. It is within our Order Paper under the Order “Messages” where we will be able to deal with it when I deliver the outcome of that particular message. So, we will proceed along those lines. I mentioned this so that it is obvious to us that we missed an opportunity. I was reminded by most of the members of the Pan African Parliament who seemed to appreciate the role of Kenya; they appreciated the role that previous members from Kenya had played within the Pan African Parliament. So, that recognition, as a legislature, is appreciated by other legislatures in Africa. On the last question by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale, of course I went to speak to the Pan African Parliament. I did not speak to the AU. I am afraid there is a difference between the two. It is like the way we oversight the Executive, they also oversight the AU. But I went there as a friend. I do not think it will be appropriate for us to interrogate the matter. Once we get our nominees to the Pan African Parliament, you can tell them to make that kind of representation. The strong argument is that the victims are not on trial. Some Kenyans are suspects. In terms of jurisprudence, everybody is assumed innocent until proven guilty. That is a very important point that needs to be made always. Next Order."
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