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"content": "fora and now even have a law which actually makes statelessness a serious offence. We do not want to see people who do not have a state walking in this world, because they have nothing to lose. If you really do not have a state, you do not have protection. If you do not have protection from your state, then you protect yourself. If you are going to protect yourself, then you can do anything to protect yourself. That is a very dangerous place to be for any person. Madam Temporary Speaker, so, it is important that if you are a Kenyan and you can prove it, you are registered and then protected by Kenya, irrespective of whether or not you lied. The law does not say that you will not be registered if you lied. It does not even say that you will not be registered if you committed a criminal offence. If says that you must be registered because you are a Kenyan. So, what is important is whether or not you are a Kenyan. That is the bottom line. I think that the Committee will deal with this in depth. However, during my tenure as the Minister in charge of immigration, I remember that we had already put in place committees, including security committees and vetting committees in some of these areas where the refugees predominantly stay. We agreed that if they can go back and be vetted or re-vetted, this time with something hanging, that they lied, but now they have come to declare that they are Kenyans, and there are some people who can give evidence that they are actually Kenyans and the parents or uncles can be found, then, of course, recommendations can be made for their registration. But this has been longwinded and these people are frustrated and have become older. Some of them are now 20 years or 30 years old and do not have identity cards. They cannot move out of their environment, grow or train. That is why they join foreign armies. You will find that the people who have contributed to the war in Somalia even more are Kenyans. I even think that the Americans have arrested some Kenyan somewhere. Madam Temporary Speaker, the problem again is the euphoria after something like what happened the other day. The first thing that I heard people say is that our borders are not being looked after properly, identity cards are being bought at throwaway prices and passports at Kshs5,000, and I am the one who sold them. I got very angry because at that time we had not even gotten one of the terrorists, to determine whether he or she actually had a Kenyan passport or identity card. But if you read the social media, it is all awash with messages that these things are being sold. The speech was coming from very senior people in Government. Today, I read that administration officers are now supposed to take charge of registration, but there is no law like that. The only law that is there is that registration officials will register, of course, in consultation with the chiefs and so on, who know people. But when something becomes euphoric and people talk loosely, you now even oppose a very good thing. What do you then do with the 12,000 Kenyans, whom you have not registered and are stateless, dangerous and not protected? It will be a very dangerous thing. So, as the Senate, it is good that this Motion is coming here, because we will look at it a little more soberly and make very good recommendations; that Kenyans The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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