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    "content": "their case here. The fact that 3,000 Kenyans in Butere or Kakamega counties, can go into a camp and live there as refugees although they are not refugees raises questions on many things we, as Kenyans, have been talking about. We are talking about 12,000 people and that is not a small number. Having 4,000 people from Ijara living in camps with no identity cards is not only a bad reflection of how we are operating generally, but how our security establishment is functioning. No wonder people are raising questions. I agree with hon. Kajwang that the Westgate issue was unfortunate and can happen anywhere. However, the bottom line is; how we deal with small things determines how we will deal with big things."
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