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    "speaker_name": "Sen. Munyes",
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        "legal_name": "John Kiyonga Munyes",
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    "content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the public would want to get full advantage of the grazing lands and fishing grounds in order to increase productivity in all these areas. But at a time when Kenya is facing with food scarcity and the people of Turkana are relying on food relief--- We introduced food for work in Turkana in the early days to bring afforestation and increase food production through rain water harvesting. The concept was meant really to improve the amounts of rain and ensure afforestation in the whole of Turkana, Garissa and other areas, but instead we are losing grazing grounds and pasture lands. We cannot grow our crops because of these species. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, this Motion is actually pro and against in some way. We should find a way of minimizing prosopis chilensis and prosopis juliflora in areas where we intend to increase food production, like pasture lands and fishing grounds. We should keep them away from water installations. It is only in isolated areas where we can cultivate and use them for economic purposes. I am told of the case of Kakuma Refugee Camp which is only reliant now on firewood of these particular species. So, we could confine them in some areas where we can use and exploit them for economic purposes, like firewood and fodder. Some research could be done so that we actually make some products out of them. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the issue that affects the public is the fact that the foreign scientists--- The challenge that should go to our own researchers in this country is that we cannot just copy ideas from other countries. One should have gone to Africa or some other parts of the world, tried this particular species in a small environment and controlled it there. But these were donors, and I do not want to underrate the work that the Norwegians did in this country. There was free money at that time in the 1980s. What the donors wanted to do was to try things without doing control analysis. That is why this idea came and in no time, it was spread all over without control. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, in my county, we are introducing different species of livestock. I was in the village yesterday and saw a small goat from Tharaka Nithi in the desert of Turkana. The donors, again, are giving them to us to try. One old man said: “By introducing a small goat like that one – and we know that it has more milk – how do we know if it might affect the immunity of the livestock in Turkana?” They should, first, be consulted and things tried in a small area. Money should not just be “poured” in the county. Somebody is trying out ideas because they want to run away with this money. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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