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    "speaker_name": "Sen. (Prof.) Lesan",
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    "content": "Thank you, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, for this opportunity to contribute to this Motion. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, from the outset, I hesitantly support this Motion. First, it is because part of the Report contains a statement that says:- “There were challenges in getting information.” Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, it, therefore, means that all the information regarding this investigation was not found. I do not know how much of that information was not found. It could be a lot more information than we already have. Therefore, that alone makes me a bit skeptical about supporting this Motion as it is. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, secondly, although devolution involves a lot of other things, actually it rings around finances. Therefore, counties that are going to mishandle their finances, even if they do whatever else, are not going to succeed. Therefore, it is very important that when we are dealing with an issue like this, we are cognizant of some of the issues that we think are small but, in fact, very important. Therefore, I really think that we should look at this Report closely. Should it be necessary that we get some more information, then we can ask for it. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, there is a body called the Transition Authority, which was to provide capacity for the incoming county treasurers or officers to provide the information. Although it faced significant challenges, I think that it did its best. I say so because some of these problems that we are seeing now, are really not as a result of lack of capacity. We think these errors or mistakes are there deliberately. If they were not deliberate, when the speaker of Turkana County Assembly found out that there was an error, it would have been so easy to go back to the executive committee or whoever caused the error and correct it. Therefore, these errors which we are seeing here are not simply errors for lack of capacity. They are deliberate and intended to serve an interest. The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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