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    "id": 402351,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Mutula Kilonzo Jnr.",
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        "legal_name": "Mutula Kilonzo Jnr",
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    "content": "Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, I rise to second this Motion and support my colleague in what he has said. This Motion has come at the right moment. If there was a time the Senate ought to demonstrate that we are in charge of county governments and the assemblies under Article 96, this would be the time because the Governors and their governments would come to the Senate to represent to us, as Senators, the reason as to why we should defend them in so far as the transfer of functions is concerned. Although it appears that this is late, it is an opportunity for us, as the Senate, to also give some sort of marks to the counties in what they have done so far. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, from what I have listened to in some of the Committees, I am convinced that in some cases, the TA acted without having the necessary information about the capacity of these counties to carry out some of these functions. I support Sen. Murkomen when he talks about the health functions. We need to forestall what appears to be an industrial strike by the health sector because we need to give them the confidence that our counties can manage the health sector. If we cannot manage the health sector, there is no point in building the cities and the nice looking buildings when our people cannot get good medical care. It is also my view that in assessing the capacity of these counties, we will be able as Senate to check and move to the other functions which are delaying devolution in terms of transfer of assets. We need to hear from the Governors why the assets cannot be transferred and whether they have done a complete audit. In a place like Makueni, I am told that it appears some assets cannot be found. For us, as Senate, this is an opportunity we must use to find out whether these assets are available. Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, you are also aware, from the information that has come to us, as the Senate, that there is this nice English term known as “unbundling of functions”. If you unbundle these functions, they will be much more than they are. This is something that we need to investigate. We will be going through the unbundling of these functions so that we, as the Senate, can speak to this nation with one voice and say that we are convinced that we have made progress in devolution. Therefore, we need to unbundle these functions. There have been disputes in Nandi and Makueni counties. For example, with regard to the management of forests, we have been quarrelling with the Kenya Forest Service (KFS) as to why they are logging forests as if Jesus is"
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