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    "id": 407914,
    "url": "https://info.mzalendo.com/api/v0.1/hansard/entries/407914/?format=api",
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Sen. Orengo",
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    "speaker": {
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        "legal_name": "Aggrey James Orengo",
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    "content": "On a point of order, Mr. Speaker, Sir. Sen. Hassan has brought up a very important point into the debate about the National Assembly. However, purely, on technicality, this Constitution says that Parliament consists of the National Assembly and the Senate. That statement is not for nothing. When an Act of Parliament is enacted, passed, assented or returned, it does not become an Act of the Senate or the National Assembly, this is an Act of the Parliament of Kenya which consists of the National Assembly and the Senate. That is why the ruling from the Supreme Court was very important that there is no Bill that should be removed from either House before the provisions in the Constitution are complied with. That means that according to Article 110 (3), no Bill can move in any one of these Houses until the Speakers find concurrence on whether the Bills concern counties or not. That is why at the end of the day, we are asked the question; did the Senate deal with that Bill? In my estimation, the Senate should have dealt with the Bill before it came before you for concurrence. At that time, you would have considered whether it concerned counties or not. The way we are dealing with Bills at the National Assembly or even here takes away the fundamental structure in the Constitution that says that Parliament, ultimately, when the laws are made, is one institution. I really think that Sen. Hassan Omar is bringing a point that we may, for now, ignore. However, for the purpose of the future, out there, people ask the question; what is the Senate saying about this Bill which is so fundamental? We have not been given an opportunity to express our position on the basis of this Bill. For me, expression or having an input in this Bill does not mean that the Bill should come here for us to debate it physically. It is enough, for me if the Bill goes to the Speaker and he makes a ruling that it does not concern counties. Therefore, the Senate, in the eyes of the public will be absolved. Right now, the public does not understand why the Senate has not dealt with this matter. At some point, even if it means that we adopt Sen. Hassan Omar’s tactics of going out there, which I am very familiar with, we should first follow a way that brings results. Otherwise, if we do not insist on what the Supreme Court ruled, everyday, we will be singing as House on how we are dealing with Motions of no consequence and The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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