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    "content": "Hon. Members, to make it clear that the departments refereed to under this sub- section are the state departments also known as ministries, and should not be confused with state corporations. It therefore follows that, the mandate of the Departmental Committees is indeed very clear and distinct from that of the PIC or PAC. We will not therefore expect the PAC or PIC to delve into such matters as review of pieces of legislation, vetting of appointments or matters of administration of ministries or state corporations. As a matter of fact Standing Order No.206(7), which covers the Public Investment Committee prevents, that committee from examining matters of day to day administration of state corporations. I will therefore not expect the PAC or PIC to examine matters such as the process of hiring of chief executives or staff of a state corporation, because this is a matter of administration which is exclusive to Departmental Committees. I also will not expect a joint sitting of either PAC or PIC with a Departmental Committee as their mandates are very distinct. At the same time allow me draw your attention to Standing Order No.206(6)(c), which allows the Public Investments Committee to also examine in the context of the autonomy and efficiency of the public investments, whether the affairs of the public investments, are being managed in accordance with sound financial or business principles and prudent commercial practices. This relates to value for money, and such other specialized audits. Honourable Members, this is where the matter of procurement of goods and services comes in as an exclusive expression. I would add that this is different from day to day administration. Should the Committee intend to examine matters of procurement, I would expect them to order a special audit from the Auditor General after being satisfied that the matter requires a special audit. As a matter of fact that was the wisdom that had informed Parliament in the making of the previous National Audit Commission, in which the Chairs of PAC and PIC, sat as Members. Honourable Members, I hope that this now, settles this matters once and for all, but I may however give further guidance on related matters on a case by case basis, if anything arises that has not been addressed in this communication or one that the Liaison Committee does not address. Hon. Members who are standing out there can come in."
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