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    "speaker_name": "Hon. Gikaria",
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    "content": "it--- I will tell you that I lost two people over the weekend just because they refused to give out their mobile phones. So, if police confront people in that situation, what will they do? This morning at about 7.30 a.m. in Nakuru, three young men on a motorbike stopped and robbed two women and then drove off. They pulled out a pistol. What we want to say is that the use of firearm with regard to protecting life and property is justifiable. We met many stakeholders. People might not understand, especially the hon. Members who have security men in their vehicles. The people in the rural areas with, say, a herd of five cattle or with mobile phones, are the ones we are talking about. We are saying that the use of firearms is justifiable with regard to protecting property. I have a friend who was operated on and he has now joined the family of the disabled. He cannot use his right hand. He got a few stabs just because of a mobile phone. This is what we are trying to avoid. It is not that we are giving the Inspector-General powers. This is just a simple constable in my region doing his duties. Where does the Inspector-General come in. This is somebody who is trying to do his duties in my small estate in Nakuru. So, the Inspector-General should not--- If you look at the quorum issue, the few days we met the Commission and the Inspector- General separately, the Commission complained so much about the quorum; that if three people decided not to go for a meeting, then that Commission would lack quorum. They were complaining about that. We made some amendments from five members to six members. Of course, it is specified that this number must come from this and this other number must come from the Constitution as stipulated under Article 246(2) and (3). That way, we can have harmony within the Commission itself. Hon. Temporary Deputy Speaker, it is unfortunate that we keep on talking about human rights and the right of association and joining groups. The teachers were out on strike for a month. I can also remember that there was some disquiet in the Prisons Department for only a few hours. You can imagine what happened there and yet, the people there are within some confinement. You can imagine the day the police will decide to join a union and their leadership says that they are not going to work. I do not want to believe that I would want to be a leader in a country where police are given an opportunity to join unions. If that happens, we will have chaos. This country will become unmanageable. There is the issue of vetting of police officers. The disharmony within the National Police Service has mostly been because of promotions."
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