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    "id": 417620,
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    "type": "speech",
    "speaker_name": "Hon. Ochieng",
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        "legal_name": "David Ouma Ochieng'",
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    "content": "to work the way they like, then soon no one will respect the other. In that dialogue, remind the people you are going to talk to that we have a Constitution in this country. In Article 1, it is very clear; it apportions responsibility and duties to the separate organs of this country. It says that all sovereign power belongs to the people of Kenya and shall be exercised only in accordance with this Constitution. It goes on to say that there shall be three arms that shall exercise power; the Executive and county governments, the Judiciary and independent tribunals and the sovereign power of the people exercised at the national level and county governments. These powers are abused by the courts, Parliament and the Judiciary. Remind them that ours is a constitutional supremacy; not Judiciary supremacy; Parliamentary supremacy or Executive supremacy. Remind them that it is constitutional supremacy; we follow the law. In this law that we have, it allows Parliament to control its work through its laws; through the Standing Orders which must comply with the Constitution. In my mind no one in this country has gone to court to challenge our Standing Orders. Our Standing Orders provide for our internal ways of doing things. It provides for internal process that this Parliament goes through when passing the law; when passing a Motion or when making whatever decision. Our Standing Orders provide so. No one – I have not seen anybody go to court to say that a part of Standing Orders is against the law. Remind them that as they discuss whatever they are discussing in courts, let them know that in Zambia, less than two years ago, a similar case occurred when they were trying to remove the immunity of the former president, Rupiah Banda. Someone ran to court saying that you cannot discuss that matter. The Speaker then – I will invite you to look at that particular precedent – said that: “I agree that the courts can make an order but on this one, the court is wrong.” So the Speaker put aside the court injunction and they proceeded. I do not support the removal of immunity of presidents who have served but the principle therein is that you must allow the courts--- (power failure) ."
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