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"content": "(Sen. (Prof.) Kindiki): Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, I thank the Senator for Wajir County for his concern. But every Government has its own style of doing things. Maybe, hopefully, future Governments will do things differently. In Jubilee, we believe that national problems, especially those that are longstanding, historical and entrenched, require the participation of everybody, including what the Senator for Wajir is using in a derogatory manner and calling them villagers. These are citizens of our country. They have ideas on how some of these things can be tackled. We believe in that. Going forward, we also want to see the opposition, trade unions and everybody taking part. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, with regard to the other questions that were raised, I want to accept that I am informed that the Government is aware that some of the challenges in terms of the radicalization are emanating from people who are not Kenyans. I do not want to use a particular nationality. But the information that the Government has is to the effect that the reasons which have been advanced, and we are not sure whether this is the correct position - our Muslim brothers and sisters can tell us if this is true - the Government has information to the effect that there is a certain level of spiritual leadership which is known as Mufti. The information we have is that in Kenya, we do not have that kind of Mufti leadership, spiritual leadership. So, most of the people who come from other countries come in as Muftis, which is high level spiritual leadership. They use that as an entry point. Perhaps this is a dialogue that needs to be discussed within the Islamic fraternity because if we are able to create our own Mufti system, which I am told is very superior religious authority, then that can help us. These are some of the things the Government is trying to put in place to ensure that our country is safe for ourselves, our children and even people who visit us. Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, very quickly on the list of preachers, the Government will be very careful not to profile preachers and start identifying them. But the belief within Government is that these things can be best done by the Muslim fraternity itself. They are the best to tell us the real preachers, those who are not genuine and those who are a threat to our nation. Again, we are aware of this. Finally, Mr. Temporary Speaker, Sir, on the issue of the systematic killings, I want to say two things; one, not just Muslim clerics have been killed in Mombasa but there were reports of Christian clerics. One incident was at the North Coast, some place in Mtwapa and another one in Kwale and other clerics were maimed. This is a problem that is not entirely Muslim but the reason why the statement did not dwell much on that is The electronic version of the Senate Hansard Report is for information purposes only. A certified version of this Report can be obtained from the Hansard Editor, Senate."
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