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    "speaker_name": "Sen. G. G. Kariuki",
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        "legal_name": "Godfrey Gitahi Kariuki",
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    "content": "It was in 1982 in May and I went to become the Minister for Lands and Settlement. So, I think these matters need to be put where they belong. When Sironey and Martin Shikuku were detained in 1975, I was only three years as an Assistant Minsiter for Lands and Settlement. That needs to be clear here because I can see from my observation - I think there is some ignorance about the political history of this country. Here, we are dealing with political history and you must have facts because the intention of this Motion was not to scandalize anybody but it is for those who suffered to be compensated. It was clear from the Mover of this Motion and I also want to tell hon. Senators that let us not speak as though it is something that we have just known. The problem of this country started when we acquired the British Constitution. This constitution is the one that messed everybody in this country and there was no room for opposition. This is a matter that needs to be understood. Therefore, it is very important for us, as a Senate, to go beyond individuals or personalities because all these things happened but what should we do? We are charged with the responsibility by Kenyans to put things right and that is what we are trying to do. When one talks about Matiba, Seroney, Martin Shikuku, Anyona, Koigi Wamwere and others, we all know that it happened and we cannot spend a lot of our time on what we know has happened. Let us look at the future. What are we going to do to stop this from happening again? Did it happen because of the constitution and those who were in power were acting outside the constitution? Were they acting within the constitution? That is what we need to be scared about. Even the Constitution we have today, if we are not careful we might find ourselves in the same problem. The reason why I am saying so is that if 42 per cent of Kenyans are below the poverty line, it means that only 46 per cent of Kenyans are above the poverty line. It is now a very serious matter that we are talking about compensating few people, time will come when we are not prepared and we need to be prepared and I am saying this through my political research, that those things can happen and if we are not going to make things right especially to those who are poor, because if you are living below the poverty line, what are you? You are just a slave of others. You have no place, no home and you have no hope in this world. That is why time will come when there will be no Luhya, Luo, Kikuyu and Kalenjin. The forces of poverty will unite against us and against those who have. We have to be extremely careful because we are dealing with human beings. So, if you are talking about 15 people as enumerated by Sen. (Dr.) Khalwale---"
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